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[–] [S] 58 points 6 hours ago* (1 child)

Knowing Microslop™, they'll fix it by loading every document on your computer into memory at boot and call it "Quick Launch"

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  • [–] [S] 41 points 8 hours ago

    And worse, they don’t even care.

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 8 hours ago

    So... don't use it?

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 5 hours ago

    Gotta load that sweet telemetry

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 7 hours ago

    Microsoft's excuse: 🖕

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 5 hours ago

    Oh but they do- their excuse is incompetence! They have so much excuse. And by excuse I mean they have so much incompence 😀

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 hour ago (1 child)

    Jokes on you i'm still running word 2007

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 8 hours ago* (3 children)

    Legacy code bloat. How much of that macOS code is even from win32 word?

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

    I don't think it's the old code that's bloated. I've been using office '97 at work for... reasons, and despite some bugs it still runs on the latest windows server, does pretty much everything Word 365 does and is much faster.... really makes you think.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 5 hours ago

    Word 97 also has a memory requirement of 8 MB. That legacy win32 code is extremely optimized, programmed in a time where every bit and byte was considered. It's today's background services and applications that slow Windows down, consuming memory and cycles for no apparent reason.

    Office apps have also become much slower and less stable since they integrated cloud support and bolted on javascript for the user interface.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    I had the same issue with slow loading office at work. If you check the network request, office opens 10 or even more connections on startup, i guess at least one is for licence check, possibly another one for one drive. However one of the requests took more than 8 seconds to complete, and during the whole time office would just sit idle.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 hours ago

    ostensibly, it's also for things like collaboration. But I'm willing to bet that at least half the data going across the servers are telemetry and... if we're being honest, probably corporate espionage.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 hour ago

    Last I heard the Mac version of word was entirely different code than the Windows program. Different teams too.

    But that was a long time ago. Things could have changed especially with the change to subscription/web deployment.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 7 minutes ago

    Old school MS would just add some seconds delay to the Mac version.

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  • [+] [S] -18 points 7 hours ago* (1 child)

    I wouldn’t know. I’m not stupid enough to use products by this bullshit company.

    Boo-hoo if you work for soe shitty company that forces you too. I don’t have enough fuck to get for you. don’t you have the choice to quit?

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  • [–] [S] 20 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    What a dumb reason to quit a job lmao

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

    Depends. I've happily turned down jobs that required me to use Windows and the amount of daily frustration I avoid as a result is worth every bit of the pickiness.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    I mean couldn't you just use a virtual machine on Linux or MacOS if you needed to use it for work? If you could manage working at the job and it's otherwise cool with nice perks, you really fucked up a good opportunity. As someone who is dealing with debilitating pain and mental issues, id KILL for a sweet job where I could work on computers and not kill my body the process. You must be loaded with cash to be this picky.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    I mean couldn’t you just use a virtual machine on Linux or MacOS if you needed to use it for work?

    Most jobs require you to use a company-supplied machine. Where of course you can't swap operating systems.
    People just put up with it even when they'd like alternatives, because it's just one of the unpleasant things we do to stay employed.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 child)

    I understand that and I don't blame people for just that, but if it's just for work applications and completely separated from your personal computer, then you aren't signing into your personal accounts like your bank account, YouTube, Steam, and other non-work related stuff that could pose privacy concerns. It's not your computer so who cares lol I hate Windows as much as the next guy, but surely it isn't so bad that you are unable to do just work stuff on it. I think turning down a job over that is a huge overreaction.

    Edit: After thinking about it for a bit longer, the work provided computers are probably really slow/underpowered so I get why people would hate that, but don't turn down the good money either!

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 hour ago

    It's just not worth it to me to wait several minutes for things to properly boot, be nagged with updates and aggravating messages, and then have my system start thrashing halfway through my day. I don't care how good the pay is - I don't use tools that will aggravate me. They can hire someone else.

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  • [+] [S] -21 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

    12 seconds for a 500-page doc? Are people just that impatient these days? Does everyone have ADHD? People will find anything to complain about.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

    Not sure how well Moore's law is holding up these days, but considering a typical PC is streaming hi res video these days opening a 500 page text file should happen so fast you don't even notice it.

    Modern Windows and many of the core software are pathetically unoptimized, wasting time and resources because as others have pointed out, "fuck you" seems to be the mantra now days.

    I dig through a ton of reference material every day for work, and should be able to open a file, control-f to the relevant information, and close it again as fast as my fingers can type.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    Yeah somehow the other guy fails to see how that 12 seconds lag with freaking Microsoft Word will correlate with bad performance in other areas in Windows too. FFS, even the Win11 start menu has horrible optimization issues with CPU lag spikes. Oh no! It's gotta be my ADHD though!!

    Waiting 12 seconds for simply opening a word document is the tip of the enshitification iceberg. I would say "slippery slope" for this example here, but we are looonngggg past that point now. Don't use windows!

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 4 hours ago*

    Windows 11 recently had to start enabling some kind of turbo CPU mode just to open a right click menu on files, because otherwise it took more than 5-10 seconds. Same with File Browser.

    https://www.thewindowsclub.com/windows-11-low-latency-profile-cpu-boost

    They are extremely incompetent.

    I had to use Teams for a week because of a second jpb I do occasional contracts for, and it was baffling how extremely worse has it gotten in the last two years.

    Three times! It has happened that the teams would load (after going through login loop twice times for some reason) that it would load and show everything as usuall. Only after like three hours of waiting for answer I've noticed that my message actually didn't send, without any error or indicator, and that everyone's, including mine, status is "Undefined" and nothing works - messages don't send, just appear sent, and I'm not getting any messages.

    The only indicator was that everyone's status dot was a hollow grey circle, and that messages did not have the sent checkmark but just a hollow dot next to them. Even refreshing did not fix it and I had to relog it for it to start working.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 hours ago

    All the extra features that require extra Ram and CPU are there because someone requested it. Sure you can have your office 97 that runs on 16MB, but then you would not be able to embed your AutoCAD drawings, load data from an XML file on the Internet or other snazziness that 99% of users don't need.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    Then you should use a format and program that's less cumbersome. Word isn't Notepad. It's much more complex.

    I don't even use Word. Wouldn't even if it opened instantaneously. But I sure as fuck not going to be worked up over something taking a few seconds to open.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 hour ago*

    After working a job in a place with no MS office suite, etc, I can attest that yes, you do grow extremely impatient. Now it takes me like 30 seconds to open Microsoft office - in my old job we'd use slack for most our communication and even when we'd open Gmail it would be 2-3 seconds. Markdown docs would open in less than a second. So after this job where everything was instant it was super frustrating to go back to Microsoft products. It's not only having to wait that's annoying, for me it's especially that I'm unable to stay in a state of flow.

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