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[–] [S] 244 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I'm not one of those Arch evangelicals, but this isn't true at all now.

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  • [–] [S] 65 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

    100%. I’ve got servers running arch for the past 5 years or so and they’re the most stable systems I’ve got. I got so tired of the painful upgrade paths on β€œstable” distros so decided to switch a server to a rolling release.

    After I found arch got security patches into the repos faster than the stable distros could backport, I decided to switch them all over.

    I’m even a mad man and have them self update with a script that checks informant (or something, can’t actually remember) for installed packages against news. If no installed packages are found in news, it continues with the scheduled update.

    It’s glorious.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 day ago

    I was too lazy for scripting the update to check the news and just get a mail when the update has issues... or should get one.

    In reality I check if the email process still works once every blue moon because I didn't get one from a failed update in years.

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    [–] [S] 117 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Why should my pc be stable if I'm not stable

    wanda.jpg

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  • [–] [S] 57 points 2 days ago (11 children)

    I wonder how many Arch haters have actually used Arch and ever ran into a breaking issue.

    In my 8 years of daily driving Arch, I have had 1 ever, and it was only bad bc I didn't know of BTRFS yet.

    That happened 3 years in, and I went on a new distro-hopping spree in between, trying Fedora, NixOS, and others, and they had actual problems. Not "oh an update broke my system and was fixed in a day."

    So now I've been back on Arch for more years.

    This whole "Arch is always breaking and takes so much maintenance" is a myth. In reality, Arch is the most stable, because it packages everything Vanilla. Everything works the "standard" way. On Debian, things decay, and then some stuff that's new breaks with some stuff that's old. On Fedora, there is a Red-Hat tax: configs in weird places, strange scripts, software missing from main repos (COPR sucks btw). On Arch, it's just "normal" Linux; and that works

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Yeah, I've noticed there's this subsection of people that have a completely wrong understanding of what the term "stable" means in the world of distros, and that it often creates as many problems as it solves, particularly on a desktop PC, or even worse, a gaming PC.

    And for there record: Stable just means that things don't change. That doesn't mean it contains less bugs, is easier to use or is more secure. And on the flip side it doesn't mean that distros that are not "stable" are necessarily "unstable" in any shape or form.

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    [–] [S] 86 points 2 days ago (18 children)

    Ironically, it's the rolling release that's much more stable for me.

    "Stable" distros often had a long and risky process of upgrading to the next major release.

    Meanwhile, my Arch install has been pretty damn stable for over 10 years and went through several different PCs.

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    [–] [S] 37 points 1 day ago (13 children)

    My machines got borked every time I tried to do a Debian or Fedora dist-upgrade following the official guide, like 4 times total. Rolling updates on Arch require manual intervention once in a blue moon and haven't broken my system since I got rid of Nvidia

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 day ago

    Ubuntu will actively break itself via snapd at like 2am on a Sunday.

    Fedora could not do a fully system update on a 1GB VPS because dnf would OOM.

    The dumbest thing I've seen Arch do in over a decade of using it is put RabbitMQ in its official repos while also rolling the latest version of Erlang which RabbitMQ doesn't support.

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    [–] [S] 102 points 2 days ago

    I boot my arch laptop once in a blue moon and update it. Its not 2002 anymore.

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  • [–] [S] 35 points 2 days ago

    collapsed inline mediaMonkey puppet meme labeled "Gentoo Users".

    Sincerely, a Gentoo user.

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  • [–] [S] 31 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    OP never finished an Arch install

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    [–] [S] 29 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    I use EndeavourOS for my primary gaming setup and will sometimes go a month or more before I remember to update again. Even with a relatively modern nVidia card, it seems to keep up just fine.

    That being said, every vanilla Arch experience has been a disaster by the end and while it’s not the same situation as the meme, you very much have to have a ton of prior knowledge to get a system that actually feels personal and by the point it’s personal enough, getting support for your setup is nigh impossible because it’s so bespoke.

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    [–] [S] 27 points 2 days ago*

    Has nix in their profile name and doesn't use NixOS πŸ€” /s

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  • [–] [S] 26 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Linux Mint user here, I have no idea if Arc is that complicated, I don't care really. All I need is a rock stable system where I can do things like developing, or just use it as "a computer".

    I reboot every month or three, and feel extra happy after any interaction with m$ windows.

    Life's good 😊

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  • [–] [S] 24 points 2 days ago

    Arch really is the "Linux" of Linux users, complete with non users making shit up about it.

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 1 day ago

    What about you? When did you choose stability over the rolling release?

    This is such sloppy engagement baiting. If it was just a hot take shitting all over one of the larger linux communities, that would be one thing, but to follow it up with a "let me know in the comments" just makes it all feel disingenuous and like somebody is being sponsored by NordVPN or Incogni to post their ragebait

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    My arch system is so stable it's boring. Year after year, just runs. Doesn't slow down, doesn't install crapware.

    So I dont know. I'm happy with it.

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    [–] [S] 18 points 2 days ago

    This is a bit like saying "Honda Civics are Tamagotchis for car people" because there's a community of people who enjoy modifying them. The rest of us just drive, and they run perfectly fine if you're not doing a lot of invasive customization.

    Arch is great for tweaking and customization, but it's also fine for a simpler use case.

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 2 days ago

    In the past 3 years of using arch daily I've had to remove some renamed packages after an update once, thats about it

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    15 year old install, one issue with crashes because of a regression in nvidia drivers that was solved after a month, I just rolled back till then.

    Idk wtf you imagine people doing.

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    [–] [S] 12 points 1 day ago (8 children)

    Anyone remembers Gentoo? ;)

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    [–] [S] 12 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I'm just chiming in to not announce which distro I'm using.

    -sent from Voyager on Android

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    [–] [S] 12 points 2 days ago

    I've done 'real work' on computer with arch my whole professional career. I need a working computer with reasonably up to date programs not 3 to 10 years out of date because debian maintainers can't be bothered. On servers it's another story and there i would prefer rhel any day i would use debian.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 2 days ago

    Never had a system breaking update. Idk what arch people be using.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    I will preface this comment by saying I genuinely consider myself to be rather dumb, and slow to learn many things. With that being said, I've never had a single issue with the one arch based distro I have used (Cachy). I never had to really look up any docs, but to learn to install some specific programs. Overall it...just kinda worked? Only reason I switched to Fedora was for that extra peace of mind knowing its a bit more stable than rolling release, but still has more updated software than Debian based distros.

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    [–] [S] 30 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    wtf is this bullshit

    and more importantly, why is it so condescending?!

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    [–] [S] 20 points 2 days ago* (2 children)

    Fedora Immutable Desktop users when Arch and Debian users fight about whose system is more stable. (I use Fedora Kinoite btw)

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    [–] [S] 10 points 23 hours ago (1 child)

    Arch really isn't that bad when you're not mucking around with the AUR. Debian is a little overkill for most normal users in respect to stability but it's good people have the freedom to do whatever the heck they want with their machines.

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    [–] [S] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    And then there's Fedora in the corner, quietly getting the best of both worlds.

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    [–] [S] 9 points 7 hours ago

    ex arch user for 5 yrs

    current fedora user since 2024

    i've been getting a lot of "recommended" youtube videos on gentoo and nixos

    send help plezz

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 day ago

    Ok so at first I thought it was actually kind of cute and endearing but by the end I think that guy is an asshole

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    CachyOS + Flathub (Bazaar) = not a single problem since I've started using it. But if I had to go to something more "stable", I think I'd go for Bazzite.

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    [–] [S] 16 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I've made ~6 Arch systems at this point. None of them have randomly broken on me, none of them have broken after an update and to be honest have been solid. I have no idea where the narrative of Arch being able to destroy itself at any point came from, but I don't think it's true at all.

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