▲ 539 ▼ I can't like the fish (programming.dev) submitted 1 week ago by calango@programming.dev to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world 186 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works [S] 154 points 1 week ago (8 children) collapsed inline media permalink fedilink source hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] cthulhupunk0@lemmy.ml [S] 137 points 1 week ago collapsed inline media permalink fedilink source parent [–] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 91 points 1 week ago (2 children) Powershell is probably simultaneously the best and worst thing Microsoft has ever created permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Hawke@lemmy.world [S] 12 points 1 week ago (1 child) Second best. The best was Active Directory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip [S] 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child) Tell that to the Linux folks https://sh.itjust.works/comment/26521372 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hawke@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 week ago I am the Linux folks. FreeIPA is fine, and I don’t care much about the GPO aspect of Active Directory. But the standardization-by-ubiquity that made it easy for everyone to just follow along and make it so it Just Works has been a godsend. Yes Microsoft built on the shoulders of giants but trying to make things work with OpenLDAP or the other also-ran directory services was a nightmare. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captain_oni@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children) I remember powershell being extremely slow to start on my laptop and sometimes slow to catch up to my typing (and I'm a slooow typist). tbf it was the win 8.1 days, dunno if it's better now. Really liked using it tho. At least it used my actual keyboard layout, unlike cmd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev [S] 1 point 1 week ago* It's much better now, I put off moving from cmd until somewhere around 2015 when I was using 'invoke-command' constantly, over the last decade or so I've moved to powershell proper cmdlets... Its actually not that bad. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip [S] 1 point 1 week ago It’s better now permalink fedilink source parent [–] apftwb@lemmy.world [S] 63 points 1 week ago Get-OutOfHere permalink fedilink source parent [–] Overspark@piefed.social [S] 23 points 1 week ago (1 child) Then give nushell a go. It's basically a modern implementation of some of the better ideas Powershell had. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone [S] 9 points 1 week ago (1 child) What were those? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml [S] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) Types. You explode lists manually into items when calling commands on a variable list of arguments instead of “quoting variables” to prevent them from exploding. Who came up with the bullshit idea that exploding strings into words is such a common use case that this footgun is preferable to have an “explode lists” syntax? Errors. No more set -euo pipefail; shopt -s lastpipe to beat some semblance of sanity into bash permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kn33@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 1 week ago* (1 child) One of the things I really like about PowerShell is the "verb-noun" convention. It makes things a lot easier when learning by examples. Wtf is a sed or an awk? But New-Item -Type Directory oh yeah that makes sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev [S] 2 points 1 week ago To be fair, the comparison there is mkdir which means make directory, but I don't doubt there are better examples. permalink fedilink source parent [–] raspberry_confetti@lemmy.ml [S] 4 points 1 week ago Big oof permalink fedilink source parent [–] kn33@lemmy.world [S] 10 points 1 week ago This but unironically permalink fedilink source parent [–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca [S] 2 points 1 week ago Unironically though. It takes time because it's structurally different than python but it's fun when you figure it out permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) It even kind of suck as a Windows-only shell... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hawke@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 1 week ago Honestly it’s pretty good, but it’s very verbose in its commands and output. The default settings are irritating but it takes only minor tweaks to make it tolerable (mainly fixing the tab completion) It’s nicely consistent with its object handling. As a windows shell it is head and shoulders above cmd.exe. I’ve thought about using it on Linux but there I like fish better. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cthulhupunk0@lemmy.ml [S] 137 points 1 week ago collapsed inline media permalink fedilink source parent
[–] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 91 points 1 week ago (2 children) Powershell is probably simultaneously the best and worst thing Microsoft has ever created permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Hawke@lemmy.world [S] 12 points 1 week ago (1 child) Second best. The best was Active Directory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip [S] 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child) Tell that to the Linux folks https://sh.itjust.works/comment/26521372 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hawke@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 week ago I am the Linux folks. FreeIPA is fine, and I don’t care much about the GPO aspect of Active Directory. But the standardization-by-ubiquity that made it easy for everyone to just follow along and make it so it Just Works has been a godsend. Yes Microsoft built on the shoulders of giants but trying to make things work with OpenLDAP or the other also-ran directory services was a nightmare. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captain_oni@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children) I remember powershell being extremely slow to start on my laptop and sometimes slow to catch up to my typing (and I'm a slooow typist). tbf it was the win 8.1 days, dunno if it's better now. Really liked using it tho. At least it used my actual keyboard layout, unlike cmd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev [S] 1 point 1 week ago* It's much better now, I put off moving from cmd until somewhere around 2015 when I was using 'invoke-command' constantly, over the last decade or so I've moved to powershell proper cmdlets... Its actually not that bad. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip [S] 1 point 1 week ago It’s better now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hawke@lemmy.world [S] 12 points 1 week ago (1 child) Second best. The best was Active Directory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip [S] 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child) Tell that to the Linux folks https://sh.itjust.works/comment/26521372 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hawke@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 week ago I am the Linux folks. FreeIPA is fine, and I don’t care much about the GPO aspect of Active Directory. But the standardization-by-ubiquity that made it easy for everyone to just follow along and make it so it Just Works has been a godsend. Yes Microsoft built on the shoulders of giants but trying to make things work with OpenLDAP or the other also-ran directory services was a nightmare. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip [S] 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child) Tell that to the Linux folks https://sh.itjust.works/comment/26521372 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hawke@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 week ago I am the Linux folks. FreeIPA is fine, and I don’t care much about the GPO aspect of Active Directory. But the standardization-by-ubiquity that made it easy for everyone to just follow along and make it so it Just Works has been a godsend. Yes Microsoft built on the shoulders of giants but trying to make things work with OpenLDAP or the other also-ran directory services was a nightmare. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hawke@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 1 week ago I am the Linux folks. FreeIPA is fine, and I don’t care much about the GPO aspect of Active Directory. But the standardization-by-ubiquity that made it easy for everyone to just follow along and make it so it Just Works has been a godsend. Yes Microsoft built on the shoulders of giants but trying to make things work with OpenLDAP or the other also-ran directory services was a nightmare. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captain_oni@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children) I remember powershell being extremely slow to start on my laptop and sometimes slow to catch up to my typing (and I'm a slooow typist). tbf it was the win 8.1 days, dunno if it's better now. Really liked using it tho. At least it used my actual keyboard layout, unlike cmd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev [S] 1 point 1 week ago* It's much better now, I put off moving from cmd until somewhere around 2015 when I was using 'invoke-command' constantly, over the last decade or so I've moved to powershell proper cmdlets... Its actually not that bad. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip [S] 1 point 1 week ago It’s better now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev [S] 1 point 1 week ago* It's much better now, I put off moving from cmd until somewhere around 2015 when I was using 'invoke-command' constantly, over the last decade or so I've moved to powershell proper cmdlets... Its actually not that bad. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Overspark@piefed.social [S] 23 points 1 week ago (1 child) Then give nushell a go. It's basically a modern implementation of some of the better ideas Powershell had. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone [S] 9 points 1 week ago (1 child) What were those? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml [S] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) Types. You explode lists manually into items when calling commands on a variable list of arguments instead of “quoting variables” to prevent them from exploding. Who came up with the bullshit idea that exploding strings into words is such a common use case that this footgun is preferable to have an “explode lists” syntax? Errors. No more set -euo pipefail; shopt -s lastpipe to beat some semblance of sanity into bash permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kn33@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 1 week ago* (1 child) One of the things I really like about PowerShell is the "verb-noun" convention. It makes things a lot easier when learning by examples. Wtf is a sed or an awk? But New-Item -Type Directory oh yeah that makes sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev [S] 2 points 1 week ago To be fair, the comparison there is mkdir which means make directory, but I don't doubt there are better examples. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone [S] 9 points 1 week ago (1 child) What were those? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml [S] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) Types. You explode lists manually into items when calling commands on a variable list of arguments instead of “quoting variables” to prevent them from exploding. Who came up with the bullshit idea that exploding strings into words is such a common use case that this footgun is preferable to have an “explode lists” syntax? Errors. No more set -euo pipefail; shopt -s lastpipe to beat some semblance of sanity into bash permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kn33@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 1 week ago* (1 child) One of the things I really like about PowerShell is the "verb-noun" convention. It makes things a lot easier when learning by examples. Wtf is a sed or an awk? But New-Item -Type Directory oh yeah that makes sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev [S] 2 points 1 week ago To be fair, the comparison there is mkdir which means make directory, but I don't doubt there are better examples. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml [S] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child) Types. You explode lists manually into items when calling commands on a variable list of arguments instead of “quoting variables” to prevent them from exploding. Who came up with the bullshit idea that exploding strings into words is such a common use case that this footgun is preferable to have an “explode lists” syntax? Errors. No more set -euo pipefail; shopt -s lastpipe to beat some semblance of sanity into bash permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kn33@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 1 week ago* (1 child) One of the things I really like about PowerShell is the "verb-noun" convention. It makes things a lot easier when learning by examples. Wtf is a sed or an awk? But New-Item -Type Directory oh yeah that makes sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev [S] 2 points 1 week ago To be fair, the comparison there is mkdir which means make directory, but I don't doubt there are better examples. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kn33@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 1 week ago* (1 child) One of the things I really like about PowerShell is the "verb-noun" convention. It makes things a lot easier when learning by examples. Wtf is a sed or an awk? But New-Item -Type Directory oh yeah that makes sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev [S] 2 points 1 week ago To be fair, the comparison there is mkdir which means make directory, but I don't doubt there are better examples. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev [S] 2 points 1 week ago To be fair, the comparison there is mkdir which means make directory, but I don't doubt there are better examples. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca [S] 2 points 1 week ago Unironically though. It takes time because it's structurally different than python but it's fun when you figure it out permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) It even kind of suck as a Windows-only shell... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hawke@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 1 week ago Honestly it’s pretty good, but it’s very verbose in its commands and output. The default settings are irritating but it takes only minor tweaks to make it tolerable (mainly fixing the tab completion) It’s nicely consistent with its object handling. As a windows shell it is head and shoulders above cmd.exe. I’ve thought about using it on Linux but there I like fish better. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hawke@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 1 week ago Honestly it’s pretty good, but it’s very verbose in its commands and output. The default settings are irritating but it takes only minor tweaks to make it tolerable (mainly fixing the tab completion) It’s nicely consistent with its object handling. As a windows shell it is head and shoulders above cmd.exe. I’ve thought about using it on Linux but there I like fish better. permalink fedilink source parent
